Comments on: Identity and Identifiers http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers there's more to life than this Sun, 31 Jul 2011 08:06:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4-alpha-19719 By: Radovan Semancik http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39624 Radovan Semancik Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:44:03 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39624 <p>My comments are quite long, therefore they have taken a form of a blog post:</p> <p>http://storm.alert.sk/blog/2010/01/08/Thou-Shalt-Not-Reassign-Identifiers</p> My comments are quite long, therefore they have taken a form of a blog post:

http://storm.alert.sk/blog/2010/01/08/Thou-Shalt-Not-Reassign-Identifiers

]]> By: NIka Jones http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39600 NIka Jones Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:03:55 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39600 <p>Will:</p> <p>Great post on how ownership of a name/identity can change, either through a conscious effort (ie. William to Will) or a situation out of your control (FreeYourId being sold, and the new company not providing the service you want --either for the price or services offered).</p> <p>I think that approach to identity should be the, "Google Commodity Server" approach. Where it is known that Google uses commodity servers in production, which are expected to fail. So processes have been put into place to deal with something that is "expected" to happen, a failure in something, anything.</p> <p>In a way all public-facing identifiers should be expected to recycle, or "go away," in identifying a particular person or thing. It's sad to say but even http://[www.]facebook.com/nika.jones (which should be me, but I didn't act quick enough <em>smile</em>) will go away someday. It may take 60 years or so, but there is a day when it will need to eventually hit the recycle bin.</p> <p>=nika</p> Will:

Great post on how ownership of a name/identity can change, either through a conscious effort (ie. William to Will) or a situation out of your control (FreeYourId being sold, and the new company not providing the service you want —either for the price or services offered).

I think that approach to identity should be the, “Google Commodity Server” approach. Where it is known that Google uses commodity servers in production, which are expected to fail. So processes have been put into place to deal with something that is “expected” to happen, a failure in something, anything.

In a way all public-facing identifiers should be expected to recycle, or “go away,” in identifying a particular person or thing. It’s sad to say but even http://www.facebook.com/nika.jones (which should be me, but I didn’t act quick enough smile) will go away someday. It may take 60 years or so, but there is a day when it will need to eventually hit the recycle bin.

=nika

]]> By: Equals Drummond » Blog Archive » Will Norris on Identity and (Non-Recyclable) Identifiers http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39564 Equals Drummond » Blog Archive » Will Norris on Identity and (Non-Recyclable) Identifiers Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:29:30 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39564 <p>[...] wonderful example is Will Norris’ post about identity and identifiers. He speaks from long experience (and he’s worked on several identity protocols, including [...]</p> […] wonderful example is Will Norris’ post about identity and identifiers. He speaks from long experience (and he’s worked on several identity protocols, including […]

]]> By: Drummond Reed http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39562 Drummond Reed Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:00:13 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39562 <p>Great article Will. In the early days of OpenID I preached long and hard about the reassignable identifier problem (which the OpenID community generally calls the recyclable identifier problem). But folks were not too worried about it -- the general attitude was, "We'll solve it when we get there."</p> <p>As your article describes, if you wait until you get there, it's too late ;-)</p> <p>Here's hoping the next generation of OpenID (the rumored OpenID v.next) gets non-recyclable identifier right.</p> <p>=Drummond</p> Great article Will. In the early days of OpenID I preached long and hard about the reassignable identifier problem (which the OpenID community generally calls the recyclable identifier problem). But folks were not too worried about it — the general attitude was, “We’ll solve it when we get there.”

As your article describes, if you wait until you get there, it’s too late ;-)

Here’s hoping the next generation of OpenID (the rumored OpenID v.next) gets non-recyclable identifier right.

=Drummond

]]> By: Dmitry Shechtman http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39455 Dmitry Shechtman Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:10:23 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39455 <p>Wow, that was fast! :)</p> <p>I wasn't the only one, so I hardly deserve the credit. Too bad Krishnan's blog is dead.</p> <p>P.S. I love the current OpenID plugin UI!</p> Wow, that was fast! :)

I wasn’t the only one, so I hardly deserve the credit. Too bad Krishnan’s blog is dead.

P.S. I love the current OpenID plugin UI!

]]> By: Will Norris http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39453 Will Norris Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:00:37 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39453 <p>@Dmitry: heh, I actually intended to include a link to your post for exactly that reason... because you <strong>did</strong> warn people about that. Unfortunately, the wayback machine was having trouble yesterday and wouldn't load the page, so I left it out.</p> @Dmitry: heh, I actually intended to include a link to your post for exactly that reason… because you did warn people about that. Unfortunately, the wayback machine was having trouble yesterday and wouldn’t load the page, so I left it out.

]]> By: Dmitry Shechtman http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39452 Dmitry Shechtman Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:57:49 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39452 <p>I hate to say "I told you so", but I blogged about FreeYourID just a day after you did, though much less favorably.</p> <p>My old blog is now gone along with the domain name (oh the irony!), but thanks to the Wayback Machine, the post (complete with some witty comments from GNR and JanRain) is still here:</p> <p>http://web.archive.org/web/20070827002759/http://blog.phpbb.cc/2007/02/14/thank-you-for-not-registering/</p> <p>Identity IS important. Don't entrust it with the wrong people.</p> I hate to say “I told you so”, but I blogged about FreeYourID just a day after you did, though much less favorably.

My old blog is now gone along with the domain name (oh the irony!), but thanks to the Wayback Machine, the post (complete with some witty comments from GNR and JanRain) is still here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070827002759/http://blog.phpbb.cc/2007/02/14/thank-you-for-not-registering/

Identity IS important. Don’t entrust it with the wrong people.

]]> By: American Yak http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39437 American Yak Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:44:23 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39437 <p>Great post. I often find myself wondering why I keep so many monikers alive. It can be frustrating.</p> Great post. I often find myself wondering why I keep so many monikers alive. It can be frustrating.

]]> By: Will Norris http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39436 Will Norris Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:16:36 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39436 <p>XRIs had already proven that (i.e. my i-name is <em>=willnorris</em>)... it's just had trouble catching on. And EAUT is effectively dead, in name only though, not in the concept. See <a href="http://webfinger.info/">webfinger.info</a>.</p> XRIs had already proven that (i.e. my i-name is =willnorris)… it’s just had trouble catching on. And EAUT is effectively dead, in name only though, not in the concept. See webfinger.info.

]]> By: Don Park http://willnorris.com/2010/01/identity-and-identifiers#comment-39434 Don Park Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:30:56 +0000 http://willnorris.com/?p=897#comment-39434 <p>I find it curious with the various systems of naming user@system system.com/user etc. that twitter has shown a single word can be enough space to provide names for the planet. 6 chars with a-z are 308 million names, 8 chars are 208 billion names.</p> <p>i am glad to have a vanity domain for myself and with openid delegation i know the identifier will outlast any one provider. at the same time, it appears the email address has beaten the URL as identifier (Facebook, Digg, etc). OpenID's adoption of EAUT will be important.</p> I find it curious with the various systems of naming user@system system.com/user etc. that twitter has shown a single word can be enough space to provide names for the planet. 6 chars with a-z are 308 million names, 8 chars are 208 billion names.

i am glad to have a vanity domain for myself and with openid delegation i know the identifier will outlast any one provider. at the same time, it appears the email address has beaten the URL as identifier (Facebook, Digg, etc). OpenID’s adoption of EAUT will be important.

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